Stephanie Graham Tests The Podcast Hot Seat

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Today on The School of Podcasting, I'm doing something I don't believe

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I've ever done. I'm introducing you to a new

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show that I'm doing. So if you're looking for the typical

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school of podcasting, that's not today, but there's still a lot to

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learn because 1 of the things I've learned is that, you know,

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Tiger Woods, 1 of the greatest golfers of all time, has a coach.

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And sometimes, we need somebody to spot that low hanging fruit so

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we can fix it and also spotlight those things you're doing

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right so you can do more of that. And so today, you're gonna hear

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the first episode of a show I've launched called Podcasting

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Seat. Hit it, ladies.

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Podcasting Sense 2, 005. I am your

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award winning hall of fame podcast coach, Dave Jackson. Thanking

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you so much for tuning in. If you are new to the show, I

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help you plan. I help you launch. I help you grow your

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podcast. If you wanna monetize, I wrote a book on it. I can help you

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with that as well. My website is school of

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podcasting.com. If you sign up, up, be sure to use

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the coupon code listener. That'll save you on either a monthly or

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yearly subscription, and that comes not with a 7 day, not with a

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14 day. Yes. It comes with a full 30 day

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money back guarantee. And so today,

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I'm gonna give you a little behind the scenes of what's going on

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and why I am doing this. And number 1, I

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started a show years ago when I was married,

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so that's been a while, called the podcasting review show.

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Later, I added my buddy, Eric k Johnson. You might know

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him as the podcast talent coach. In fact, congratulations to Eric. He just

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went over 500 episodes. I'll have a link to that

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in the show notes. He shares some, information and knowledge

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that he's picked up along the way. So congrats on episode 500. And I've

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done that. And then I was testing a media host,

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and I needed a show that required 0 show prep. And

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so I created a show called the podcasting rodeo

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show where I grab a show and see how long I can hang on. For

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the record, podcast rodeo show, horrible name. That's why I

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always have to explain it. It's where I grab a random podcast and see how

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long I can hang on. And if you have to explain your title,

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you've picked a bad 1. And so what I am doing is

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I rebranded the podcasting rodeo show. But the other

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thing was that job right? I always say you need to

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know your why. Why am I doing this? Because if you don't get your why,

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you're burned out. And I was hoping that the podcast rodeo show

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would bring people into the school of podcasting. And

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to make a long story short, it pretty much failed. Not completely,

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but it really didn't do that on a regular basis. So

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I've rebranded that show and kind of made a cross between

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the podcast review show, which is me and Eric, where we go over

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a full episode and your website. And I do that on

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the podcast hot seat, except it's just me. It's a little

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cheaper, and I'm throwing in a free month at the School of

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Podcasting. And so you might say that

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the podcast review show, you get 2 opinions instead

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of just mine, and you also get to ask us questions.

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And I when I created this new 1, I said,

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well, let's get them into the school of podcasting and then make

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them leave. Now there's no reoccurring thing. When you sign up,

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you get a month, and then you will get an email from me going, hey.

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If you're sticking around, click here to use this coupon.

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Originally, I was just going to kill The Podcast Rodeo Show,

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but the inspiration came from my buddy, Kim Newlove. You can find

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her at the pharmacist's voice, and she pointed out that I had a

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typo in the title of the School of

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Podcasting. And I was like, well, that's marketing. But,

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also, it's now an example that I will cite all the time that you

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need somebody that's not you, somebody that's not your mom,

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somebody that will give you the honest truth that, hey. And the kinda the

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tagline is, I'm the guy that's gonna let you know you have broccoli in

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your teeth. So if you ever wonder what consulting with me

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sounds like, this is an edited version. This actual call

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went on for close to an hour and a half, something like that. And

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I'm reviewing the show, Nosy AF. You can find it

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at nosyaf.com. It's with my new friend,

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Stephanie Graham, and she is nosy. And as a teacher,

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that's what you want. You want somebody who's like, how do I do this? How

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do I do this better? Wait. What if I did this? So she's an excellent

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student. And here is myself and Stephanie

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Graham on the podcast hot seat.

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Hey. Welcome to the very first episode,

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really, of podcasting hot seat. I am Dave Jackson

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from the school of podcasting.com. Today, we are

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joined by Stephanie Graham. She does a

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show called Nosy AF. You can find it

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at nosyaf.com. Here is their description

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from our good friends at Apple Podcast. It says,

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ever wonder what ignites the creative spark in

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inspiring artist, change fighting activists, and even my

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neighbor who practices synchronized swimming in their inflatable pool

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every marketing? That's me, Stephanie Graham, artist

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and filmmaker diving deep with these movers and shakers on

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the Nosy AF podcasting. Every other week, we'll

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explore their journeys and the secrets to making a difference and uncover

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captivating narratives. Step into their creative worlds,

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ignite your curiosity, and discover the inspiration that shapes

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landscapes and builds a better world. As an artist,

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I am passionate about weaving these stories into my work.

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We'll explore the challenges and routines that fuel success,

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venture behind the scenes, and share updates on my artistic

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journey. Join the nosy AF community

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every episode as an invitation to explore, learn,

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and grow together. And Stephanie is

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amazing, and she picked an episode for me to listen

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to. I will put a link to that in the show notes. And then we

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got together to talk about her episode and her

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website, stephaniegramnosyaf.com.

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Thanks for coming on the podcast hot seat. I am very happy to be

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in the hot seat, and the hot seat is super hot. Ouch.

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1 of the things you need you need to identify

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when you start your podcast is why are you doing this?

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Well, I know I wanted some sort of way

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to center my practice or to, like, market my art practice.

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I'm a photographer and filmmaker, and I do all

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sorts of different, like, multimedia type of artwork. And

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so I thought having a podcast could be a good

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way to do that, especially because my

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art is very much based around people. And so

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I use people and their personal story.

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A lot of, like, dialogue research, they call it, to

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create my projects. And so these are conversations that I was having

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anyway. And so I thought, why

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not record the conversations and

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use them in a podcasting? Or I can also share about

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my artwork If, you know, I have a project that's

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coming up that, like, I'm gonna be exhibiting, you know, I

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can use the podcast as a way to showcase

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these themes around my work, essentially. You

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also need to identify how are you going to measure your

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success. If people are calling me

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to exhibit my work, if

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people are calling me to be a part of some sort of, like,

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community project of some sort, just

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that's what I think even more so than download

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numbers. Even if I interview an artist or,

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like, somebody in the community, I want there to be good engagement for

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them. But mostly, I think the success would

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be that people know about my work

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outside of just Chicago where I am, and

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I'm being considered for opportunities

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because of people being able to see my work, but

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also get a sense of me talking about work, talking to

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people, and, like, my personality. And Stephanie's

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personality is awesome. She's fun. She's bubbly. I love

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working with her. But 1 of her targets was I wanna

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get eyeballs on my artwork. And so I asked her

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this, is your artwork on your website where people can see

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it? Yes. Okay. And is that at

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the nosyaf.com site or a different 1?

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Yeah. It's at my web my my art website, which is

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missgram.com. Yeah. But I named my

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podcast Nosy AF. Because?

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You know, because I thought I like this

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idea of and this goes back to sort of my art practice

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of moguls. And while, you know,

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currently in 2024, we are eating the rich,

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burning down capitalism, and all of that, But I did like

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how moguls, they had, like,

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different avenues. So it could be like, this could be their 1

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restaurant, name this. This could be their clothing line, name

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this. You know? And it's and it just brings up this whole thing.

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And, plus, I am very inquisitive. You know, I ask questions

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all the time. I'm always very, very curious about people.

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I thought the name was a good idea versus

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making something just like Stephanie Growth podcast or

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something. And the actual name of the show is

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Nosy AF, but she has a tagline, conversations

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about art, activism, and social change.

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And so I asked her, who is this podcast for specifically?

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I think I'm really interested

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in curators listening to the show as

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well as artists listening to the show, activists

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listening to the show, people that are

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maybe civic minded comes to me where

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it's like they're creative people that wanna be a part of

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participating in making the world a better place

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through through art. And so 1 of the things you can do and

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with her tagline, she's got activism and art in her name. But

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sometimes you wanna sit back and go, what are people going to be typing in

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to find your show? And I only say this because this is what I

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look for. I might type in a specific artist I'm looking

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for. Mhmm. So, you know, if I wanted to hear about

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Dave Jackson, you know, speaking about, you

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know, your art, maybe I would find that

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and then I would find no ZAF and then be like, okay. This was interesting

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and then stick around. And while I

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understand that's how she would find things, I would ask,

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are you gonna get more traffic from people typing in artist

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names? Because to get more traffic, you'd have to have really

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popular artists that are actually being searched for

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versus things like activism, art, and having those in the name. So we wanna

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make sure the name is fairly obvious for people that are looking

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for those items. And as we started to

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play her clips, I noticed that her theme song

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had a little kind of cutaway from Batman. If you remember the

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original show, it was and I

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heard it in her music. And this is future Dave I'm busting

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in here. I thought it was a red flag because when I Shazammed her

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music, it actually showed up with the artist, and usually,

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that's a red flag. Well, then I Shazam'd my own theme song for the School

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of Podcasting and it also showed up. And I know I have the

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legal rights to that. So this might not have been such a red flag that

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I thought when I first Shazam ed her song. And I was like,

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wait a minute. Where did you get your music? It may not be royalty

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free and ready to be used in a podcast. Yeah. I got it

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from a website called Marmoset.

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Did you Which is instrumentals. Like, I paid for it.

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That's interesting. And Stephanie is going to be checking to make sure

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that she paid for a license. The tricky part is with

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podcasting versus radio. With a podcast, you are able to

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download the file and without turning this into lawyer speak because I'm not

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a lawyer, But that means it needs a mechanical license, which is

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completely different than a license to stream. So

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keep that in mind. So Stephanie is gonna be checking into that. But

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as we listen to these clips, realize I have gone in and

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kinda scrubbed out the music. So if you listen to her audio here and

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go, that sounds a little funny. It actually sounds good on her

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show. Her audio actually sounded really good, and I'll have links to that so you

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can go hear this. But I don't wanna get pulled out

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of Spotify. And that is who more than likely would pull you for

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music is Spotify. And as someone who works

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in support in Libsyn, I see a lot of those where people like, hey. They

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pulled my show. And you go over and they're using Eminem for their theme song.

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I'm like, yeah. That's not gonna do it. But here's the intro. This is how

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she starts off her show. Hey, everyone. What's going on? My name is

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Stephanie Graham. I'm an artist and filmmaker, and I'm also

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an extremely curious person. So I'm gonna go as far as to say that I

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am nosy as fuck the nerve. I

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started this podcast because I wanted to interview people. Well, actually, I'll stop it as

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we're going along. First of all, I love the the fact that you bleeped out

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the word. That means you can still mark your your podcast clean.

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But I love when you say the nerve because it just shows

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me that, okay, we're we're a little sarcastic.

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I started this podcast because I wanted to interview people. I'm not

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just talking to anyone either. I'm talking to people who are in the thick

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of what they do. I wanna know how they live their life and how they

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get things done so that I could apply some of their savvy to my own

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life. Now that's what we learn. They're

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savvy. That was the only thing I was like because the whole time, I'm like,

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what's in it for me? And I'm gonna learn about their savvy. And I'm not

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sure everybody knows what that means. So I'm sharing this with you so that

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you too can do the same. You can do it together. We all gotta

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start somewhere, and if you're not looking for practical info, stick

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around anyway because my guests are fascinating, and

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it's my goal to get to the bottom of their shh. I mean,

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aren't we all just a little bit curious of what it's like to live someone

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else's life? And if we do it the same, there are

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also times when I will feel called to catch up with you 1 on 1

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and let you know about what's going on with me, either in life or with

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my art practice. You didn't think I'd get the dirt on all these

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cool people and not let you know what's going on with me, did you? I

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mean, I'm a Libra. We believe in

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balance. Listen, I am a big

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believer that even though we are all different, we could still find ways to relate

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to each other. It's time to get down to business, so welcome to the nosy

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AF podcast. So you you said you think you

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know what I'm gonna say, so I'll let you go first. Alright. And I've

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it's so long, and I've already changed it.

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It is. It's a minute 20. And the interesting thing felt

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it felt longer than that. I don't know if it was because of me, but

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it's like, girl. Well, it's all you

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because, really, a typical intro will have

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here's what we do so you can blank. Like, here's the benefit to you, mister

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or missus listener, and maybe your

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website or something like that. And then you go into, what's

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this episode about? And we just took a minute 20

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to figure out what the show's about. And like I said, you you kinda hit,

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like, here's what you're gonna learn. You're gonna learn about their savvy. And I

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was like and because sometimes you

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can say something about who it's for. You know? Hey. If

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you're an artist that wants to see world change through

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activism and art, you're in the right place. Just something to say,

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hey. This is who this is for. Just so the person listening is like, should

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I keep listening to this? And then who's it for and what you're

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gonna learn? And so you kinda get into that a little bit with, like, you're

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gonna learn about their savvy, and I'm gonna share this. I'm talking to interesting people.

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But interesting is in the eye of the beholder. So if you Mhmm. If

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you could somehow specify who we're gonna talk to in

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general. Because interesting people with interesting story

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are just something to maybe be a little more specific. So

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again, my buddy, Eric k Johnson, always says, you don't get on a bus without

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knowing where it's going. And so this isn't super specific.

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and we're gonna hear about this and that. But I would somehow tighten it up

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a bit, and we help blank people

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do blank so they can blank. Something a little more precise

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and things like that. Especially when I read your tagline and stuff, I'm like, that

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doesn't really come into that intro. And once the intro was over, there

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was something she did, and I don't really agree with it, but I really liked

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it, which is, I realized, kind of a weird combination. But

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she works in the entertainment industry. She works on TV shows.

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end, and she shared her opinion on this and how it's strong to

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hang together. You know what? You gotta stand for what you believe in. Okay? That

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means for the writers strike. That means for some dude trying to play

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you. That means for a boss acting crazy. All of

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that, You gotta stand for what you want. Okay? And I'm so excited

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for the writers. This is beyond exciting.

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And what I love there is the passion. And so all I would

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have done is if you wanted to put that there, say, hey,

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in a minute, I'm gonna be talking to my guest and introduce

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them really briefly. But first, I wanna talk about this

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because the audience still doesn't know who the guest is and if they

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wanna stick around and listen. So that's the only thing I would have added there

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is maybe throw that in, but let people know who the guest is so they

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can decide if they want to stick around. But speaking of introducing the guest, here

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is her introduction, and this is where I noticed she had a bit

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of a mic placement problem and she had some plosives.

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So today, in today's episode of Nosy AF, we are

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journeying deep into the heart of the art world with a guest

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whose influence extends far beyond his masterpieces.

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Now can you hear those plosives going through now as you hear as I'm playing

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them part? I think I think so, actually. I think I just heard it in

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the masterpiece in the masterpieces. Stands far beyond his

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masterpieces. Yeah. From the thriving art scene of Atlanta, Georgia,

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please let me introduce you to a man whose titles stretch

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far and wide, world class museum

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exhibited artist, founder and CEO of Black Art

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in America, collector, producer, arts

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advocate, philanthropist, the indomitable

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Najee Dorsey. Yes. I'm so excited about

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Najee being here. And so that was a great introduction, and

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I could tell you were excited. And aside from the plosives, now if you

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ever want to, there are plugins that

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you can add that basically will help take those out. I hear

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so many podcasters start off an interview with, tell us a little bit about

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yourself, which is an absolutely horrible way to start an interview.

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And in this case, Stephanie came out with a great question

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that's very open ended and gets the guest talking about themselves.

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Yeah. So Najee Dorsey, we have here, and

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you are a artist first.

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Mhmm. Artist first, art collector,

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art gallerist. Do you have a favorite?

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feed me in in in different ways, and they're they're all interconnected

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too. So So I just thought that was a great first question. Like, hey, you

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do all this stuff. So, a, kind of just letting

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Najee know that, like, hey, I did my research. I know what you're doing. I

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know what you're up to. So that's gonna impress the guest that you're you're not

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just somebody that read his LinkedIn bio. And the fact that you opened

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a very open ended question, you're like, hey. Do you have a favorite? And he's

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like, no. Not really. And but then explain why. So if

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he didn't give any kind of, like, value in the explanation of why

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not, then you just feel like, I'd take that out. But I just thought it

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was a great first question to get them because most people love

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talking about themselves, you know, or or in this case, talking about their

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art. On the hot seat, we let you know what you're doing good, and we

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also let you know those things that need a little polish. And so she

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was talking about the guest art, how beautiful it was, and it

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kinda led to this rambling story that I didn't quite get where it

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was going. I can't wait to see it in person, like an

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original in person because Najee and I have worked

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together. We were introduced through my TV gig. I was

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working on a TV show where Which on 1 hand, very

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cool way to just politely drop that in. Like,

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just a little humble brag. Don't notice it. But, oh, yeah, I work in

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TV. I love that kind of stuff because it's so we feel so weird

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about promoting our own stuff and citing our

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credentials, but you work in TV. So you're like, hey. I met him on a

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TV show. I thought, that's cool. It's a nice way to just, get some

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street cred. A director had won it. I can't remember the name of the

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artist, and I don't know if you remember. But 1 of the directors had won

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it 1 of the artworks, and you represented the artist. Yeah.

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Yeah. I can't recall I can't recall it either, but I I think it was

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for the with the the was it the Chicago PD or

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Chicago Yeah. It was for Chicago PD. I just can't remember

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the director, and I can't remember the artist. So most of

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the story, you can't remember. And I'm kinda

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like Yeah. It's like, is there a point to this? Because the

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directors change all the time on the show. I see.

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Yeah. Like, every every 8 days, we're, like, shooting a new episode. And so

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it's like some of the directors, they'll come back, but we're always So now we're

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into a tangent about how then I'm just like it goes all through the way.

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So silly. And I I know you were trying to make the point

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of this is how we met. And so that was a little messy and I

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wasn't quite sure we needed that information. But 1 thing she did

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do really well was her transition from the

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conversation into kind of her mid growth promotion spot

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where she's asking people to sign up for her email list.

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And this, again, had music under it that I have since removed. So

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if you hear this and go, that sounds a little like it's underwater a little

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bit, that's because I had to do some heavy processing to get the music

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out. But here's her commercial. Hey. I just wanna pop in

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here real quick to let you know that I'm an artist. I make work about

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social class, sub cultures, race, and gender. These topics

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are complex, they're interesting, and they come up in my life all

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the time. Because I love to laugh, a lot of my

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work has humorous tones. I genuinely enjoy making and creating all

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sorts of things. My main medium is photography and film, but I also

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enjoy organizing art events. I would love to keep you in the loop of

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everything that's going on with my art exhibition. So please consider

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signing up for the StudioGram newsletter atmissgram.com/signup.

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Okay. Back to the top. And if you noticed there, she mentioned a second

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website, missgram. And so I asked her, why do you

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have 2 websites? Why not just put the nosyafshowonmissgram.com?

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In the art world, they like if you're just focused on the

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art. And it's so weird

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because even, like, to be considered for commercial

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photography, right, like there was an Allstate ad say they're

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like, oh, we would love to consider you, but you have these, like, sculptures

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here. And I'm like, yeah. But there's also photos. And as

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Stephanie informed me on the different practices and the different

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responsibility and the different positions in the art world, it kinda made

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sense to have 2 different sites, especially if somebody was going to

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contact her. So, see, if I have a contact page,

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if you're a curator wanting to contact me, but you might see, like, the

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schedule or, like, sponsorship. Is that

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confusing, and how does that kind of stuff work? Got it. That makes sense.

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Different websites because you have different types of visitors. And

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as I listen more, unfortunately, I did stumble across another

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story. And what it is here is it is

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Stephanie having a great conversation with her guest, and

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some of that conversation doesn't really need to go to the

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public, and Stephanie explained why. This is another 1 that I

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just have labeled, what is the point of this story. So let's see what's going

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on. Oh my god. See

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y'all. It is hot in here.

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So, baby, I'm missing something. Alright. But yeah, man. I see. You know?

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We we calling for the Black Art Family reunion. Y'all pull on up. Come on.

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Oh, okay. Come on. He's talking about this. And he's talking about these

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events he do he does for his art place, and people have they

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bring the grills. Sounds like a great old time. He's like, come on down. I

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can't even yell. I'm pulling up. Come on through. You come on down. Yeah. I

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know. I think I feel like last when you had the opening for your

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art thing, I feel like we had some type of family thing. But, yeah, I'm

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gonna have to see an around family. I remember Ebony had a

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black family reunion. Ebony Magazine threw 1 in Chicago, and that was

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a lot of fun. They just invited black folks to come out with their growth.

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And my mom, somehow, because people were trying to

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figure out how she did this, like, I don't know if she was 1 of

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the first people to sign up, but they gave us, like, a tent, like, a

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pop up tent. Okay. And, like, I feel like they maybe had, like,

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only 2 other ones out there. And so, like, we had this, like like,

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pillar, like, to be, like, this is where our family was. And so people, like,

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how'd you get this tent? Like, what? Because people were just out there with

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grills, but, like, we had, like, a whole setup and they had musicians

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come. I can't remember some of, like, the story, but, like, actual, like, you

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know, like, known acts were at this thing that Ebony brought in to perform.

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I've been, like, say, like, Jamie Foxx or somebody like that, like, to perform,

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and they had host. And it was such a blast for the day. I know

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Stop. Stop. You're saying okay. So I just I did. You're

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you're you're you're she's like, gong me. Hit the gong,

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man. So I just was like,

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I I get it. I think what you're trying to do was say,

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these are fun. Like, I had fun at this, but I

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just was like you know, this thing was my mom, and I don't know. We

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had a tent, and people wanted to know how we got the tent. And I

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was like and so what I like about this

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is you are just having a conversation.

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Like, this next series or whatever, these next few episodes of my

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podcast, I think I'm gonna edit them myself because when I send them

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off, you know, Amanda, she doesn't necessarily know, like, I'm giving them to her

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to, like, mix and stuff. So she's not necessarily I think she would cut

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stuff down if, like, it's not needed, but she might not

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necessarily do, like you know? So I feel like me,

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00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:38,769
this this will be a good exercise for me to learn how I

455
00:28:38,769 --> 00:28:42,225
talk as well. Yeah. It's very hard to find an

456
00:28:42,225 --> 00:28:45,985
editor to edit for content. Yes. They can cut out umms and, you

457
00:28:45,985 --> 00:28:49,810
know, and things like that, but they have to really understand who your audience

458
00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:53,570
is as well and what you're trying to convey to your audience so they

459
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:57,195
can then identify the parts that are gonna be a little boring.

460
00:28:57,195 --> 00:29:00,875
But let's listen to how she wrapped up her episode. Thank you so

461
00:29:00,875 --> 00:29:04,670
much for tuning in to the Nosy AF podcast with me, your host, your

462
00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:08,350
friend, Stephanie Graham. I'm so glad that you made it to the end of

463
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:12,065
this conversation. Please kindly let me know what you thought

464
00:29:12,065 --> 00:29:15,605
by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify,

465
00:29:15,665 --> 00:29:19,440
Stitcher, wherever you're listening right now. You can also connect with

466
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,039
me at nosyaf.com via the say hello

467
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,720
button. And if you're curious about what's going on in my art and film life,

468
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,715
please visit my web atmissgram.com.

469
00:29:30,535 --> 00:29:33,895
Oh, and, also, if there is someone that you're nosy about and you want me

470
00:29:33,895 --> 00:29:37,590
to have them on the show, please send suggestions via the same hello button, and

471
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:41,430
I will check them out. Until next time, thank you so much for being

472
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:44,870
you, and see you soon. Peace. I think my favorite part of

473
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:48,425
that was, I think right about here where you go Podcast

474
00:29:48,425 --> 00:29:52,185
with me, your host, your friend, Stephanie Graham. I like that. Your

475
00:29:52,185 --> 00:29:55,540
host, your friend. I was like, oh, that's kinda cool. And I've already told you

476
00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:58,420
this when I heard it. And that is, there is no hello button on your

477
00:29:58,420 --> 00:30:02,020
website anymore. No. And you know, that's the note.

478
00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:05,825
That's the thing too that I've learned from, you know,

479
00:30:05,825 --> 00:30:09,425
with this hot seat, you know, you so graciously give us, you know,

480
00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:13,090
opportunity to be a part of your podcast school, and I

481
00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:16,930
think I learned that in there. You know, you have

482
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:20,655
to change this stuff up constantly. So, like, you can't like, these, you

483
00:30:20,655 --> 00:30:24,495
know, these boilerplate, like, intro outros Yeah. Like, I

484
00:30:24,495 --> 00:30:27,955
made that, but then if I'm, like, updating my website and whatnot,

485
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,400
you know, it changes. So it's like, it's those aren't things to sort of set

486
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000
and forget. You have to be you know, make sure

487
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,514
that, you know, keep it keep it fresh. Well and you can do things to

488
00:30:39,514 --> 00:30:43,355
make them somewhat evergreen. So it could be like, hey. Just go

489
00:30:43,355 --> 00:30:44,975
to, nosyaf.com/contact.

490
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:50,850
And that could be a form to contact you via email, but it could

491
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:54,530
also be your social all in that 1 page. And instead of

492
00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:56,855
saying, oh, join me on patreon.com/nosyaf.

493
00:30:59,395 --> 00:31:03,015
Well, what if later something comes along, like, like, wait a minute. That's

494
00:31:03,075 --> 00:31:06,900
much cheaper. Well, now you've got, you know, a 100 episodes. Are you

495
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,179
talking about Patreon? Whereas if you said, oh, if you wanna be part of the

496
00:31:10,179 --> 00:31:13,785
community and help support the show, you know, nosyaf.com/communityor/whateverfun.

497
00:31:17,045 --> 00:31:20,805
You know, sometimes people will come up with a some sort of, like, nickname for

498
00:31:20,805 --> 00:31:24,280
their community or whatever. But that way, in the event you ever wanna

499
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,120
leave, you don't know, oh, man, I mentioned Patreon 37 times

500
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,955
in this episode, and it doesn't exist anymore. So now remember at the

501
00:31:31,955 --> 00:31:35,715
beginning of this episode, we asked her why is she doing this, and she wanted

502
00:31:35,715 --> 00:31:39,440
to position herself to maybe get more gigs in the art world

503
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,200
as well as get more eyeballs on her art. And

504
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,340
we heard where her call to action was really join her newsletter.

505
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:50,635
And so asking someone to be on your newsletter, usually, you

506
00:31:50,635 --> 00:31:54,395
need some sort of incentive, some sort of lead magnet. But if you're gonna

507
00:31:54,395 --> 00:31:58,169
have 1 call to action, join my newsletter is not a bad 1 because

508
00:31:58,169 --> 00:32:01,610
once they're on your newsletter, then you can ask them to follow the

509
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:05,435
show, to buy your art, or whatever else you're looking for.

510
00:32:05,435 --> 00:32:08,735
So not a bad call to action, but you just have to make sure then

511
00:32:08,875 --> 00:32:12,415
that that newsletter is in tune with your overall

512
00:32:12,475 --> 00:32:16,200
why. Because if you don't get your why, you will burn out from your

513
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,800
podcast. We'll hear about Stephanie's website right

514
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,495
after this. So we're halfway through

515
00:32:23,495 --> 00:32:27,175
this episode, and keep listening. I hope you're

516
00:32:27,175 --> 00:32:30,455
intrigued by this. But I do wanna let you know if you go to your

517
00:32:30,455 --> 00:32:34,020
phone or whatever, I have a link to where you can

518
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:37,780
submit your feedback on this episode because it makes no sense to

519
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:41,435
market this if it's not really landing with the audience. So check the show

520
00:32:41,435 --> 00:32:45,275
notes for the survey. Back to the show. You're listening to

521
00:32:45,275 --> 00:32:49,090
podcast hot seat atpodcasthotseat.com. As we

522
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:52,929
switch gears to talk about our website, realize the website

523
00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:56,415
is a very visual thing, and this is an audio podcast. And

524
00:32:56,415 --> 00:33:00,095
so I've cut out everything where we were like, look, over here it does this

525
00:33:00,095 --> 00:33:03,555
and that, and we're just gonna talk about the things that make sense on

526
00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:07,580
audio. Just realize this actual call went on for almost 2 hours, and

527
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:11,405
I've cut it down now. So when it comes to our website, she

528
00:33:11,405 --> 00:33:15,165
had an issue where it was kinda trying to be everything to

529
00:33:15,165 --> 00:33:18,925
everyone. When we go to the a podcast about people, their stories, and

530
00:33:18,925 --> 00:33:22,280
how to be just like them, If your show is more

531
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,120
about activism through art, I don't get that

532
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800
from your little tagline here. Yeah. And you know what? This thing

533
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,465
is is that I was trying to make it my

534
00:33:33,465 --> 00:33:36,985
show so that I pick these actor

535
00:33:36,985 --> 00:33:40,779
or artists and activists, but also if there is

536
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:44,600
the cashier, you know, at the local store that's always getting

537
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,434
into something, you know, or somebody that I just wanna talk to

538
00:33:48,434 --> 00:33:52,195
randomly that I think might have an interesting story. I felt that

539
00:33:52,195 --> 00:33:55,255
I was trying to leave space to include them,

540
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:59,750
but I I ended up knocking that out because I need

541
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:03,510
to change this. Yeah. When you try to be everything to everyone, you

542
00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:06,695
end up being nothing to everyone because

543
00:34:07,315 --> 00:34:11,155
they can't identify because, well, you're trying to be everyone. And

544
00:34:11,155 --> 00:34:14,810
she does have a tag line for her show in Apple and every place

545
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:18,510
else, but it didn't really match the tag line when you went to the website.

546
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:21,785
So, like, even here you say, and how to be just like them. Well, I

547
00:34:21,785 --> 00:34:25,545
don't know who them is. Yes. So I need to change

548
00:34:25,545 --> 00:34:29,080
that. Yeah. So it just sounds kinda like I talk to people and they have

549
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,860
fun story. And you're like, okay. But, I mean, there are a lot of podcasting.

550
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,175
So and so we point out those things that need polished, but not everything

551
00:34:38,175 --> 00:34:42,015
needs polished. Like I said, when I go to your episodes page, this is

552
00:34:42,015 --> 00:34:45,795
all nice and lined up, and you got to read more buttons and

553
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:49,969
everything's looking good. I thought that was was good. I do

554
00:34:49,969 --> 00:34:53,650
another show called Your Podcast Website, and I have an episode that

555
00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:57,375
talks about how important your about page is. And

556
00:34:57,375 --> 00:35:00,895
when it came to Stephanie's about page, you have an

557
00:35:00,895 --> 00:35:04,640
about on the front page, but you might wanna also copy

558
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,700
that on the about page. Like, maybe, hey, about

559
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,165
Stephanie and then about the show. If we look at your about on the

560
00:35:12,165 --> 00:35:15,785
front here, it's a podcast where everyday movers, shakers, and

561
00:35:15,925 --> 00:35:19,470
subculture makers allow me, your host, Stephanie Graham, to

562
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:23,070
the space to ask questions about who they are, what they do, and how they

563
00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:26,450
do it. We talk to everyone from CEOs to local cashiers,

564
00:35:26,830 --> 00:35:30,275
different religious groups, burnout coaches, and baby diaddies,

565
00:35:30,494 --> 00:35:34,335
and an art gallerist. It's all over the place, and it's a party. The 1

566
00:35:34,335 --> 00:35:38,150
thing we're missing here is so you can what? Like, what's

567
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:41,910
the benefit of Okay. Because this just sounds

568
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:44,710
like I talk to a lot of people and it's fun. And when it comes

569
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:48,325
to websites, we know that she has 2. She has missgram.com,

570
00:35:49,425 --> 00:35:52,865
nosyaf.com, and then she had a third

571
00:35:52,865 --> 00:35:56,650
site for selling merchandise. Yeah. They're they're just

572
00:35:56,650 --> 00:36:00,010
like little pins that I make, which is funny

573
00:36:00,010 --> 00:36:03,850
because in the art world, you know, depending on the type of

574
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:07,295
artist you wanna be seen as, if I have prints that are $750,

575
00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,375
they don't wanna see $15 pins next to $750

576
00:36:11,994 --> 00:36:15,320
prints. So I just, I just moved them to

577
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:19,619
their own site. But actually, as I think

578
00:36:19,619 --> 00:36:23,285
about this, maybe it's something to think about to just make pins

579
00:36:23,285 --> 00:36:27,065
that I sell on Nosey AF. So that way it's sort of like streamline

580
00:36:27,365 --> 00:36:31,039
thin stuff out if I want to. But That's an idea. I wasn't

581
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,880
surprised as I was dealing with an artist, and artists love their pictures to

582
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,615
look amazing, that somehow her images were

583
00:36:38,615 --> 00:36:42,375
loading very, very slow. And this is typically because they're

584
00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:46,055
high res images for print, where a

585
00:36:46,055 --> 00:36:49,799
image for your website only needs to be about 90

586
00:36:49,799 --> 00:36:53,020
dots per inch. And you can use sites like tinyjpg.com,

587
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,075
and I use 1 called Squoosh from Google. The other thing,

588
00:36:58,075 --> 00:37:01,515
since 1 of the whys, 1 of the things we wanted people to do was

589
00:37:01,515 --> 00:37:04,735
see her art, I was kinda surprised that on her website,

590
00:37:05,435 --> 00:37:09,210
there is artwork. This little image with here with your art. So is that

591
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:13,049
your art in the back? No. It's somebody else's. Okay. But

592
00:37:13,049 --> 00:37:16,765
maybe I should take that down and put 1 up with my work. Yeah. And,

593
00:37:17,165 --> 00:37:19,405
but this took a while to load the first time, and I was like, oh,

594
00:37:19,405 --> 00:37:23,025
that's an easy 1. And Steph is using Squarespace for her website.

595
00:37:23,245 --> 00:37:26,900
And on 1 page, the words kinda overlapped. That

596
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,740
little cloud that needs to be scooted over. And I had mentioned

597
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:34,545
that she had some slow loading images. When I went to her

598
00:37:34,545 --> 00:37:38,385
shop page, this is what I was thinking. You have a shop button. So

599
00:37:38,385 --> 00:37:42,120
this is where when I came here, there there isn't anything here.

600
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,560
And that's because it was just taking a while for those images to

601
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,320
load. And speaking of images and artwork, 1 of the

602
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,005
goals was to get more eyeballs on Stephanie's artwork.

603
00:37:53,465 --> 00:37:57,305
And while there are links on her Miss Growth website, there aren't

604
00:37:57,305 --> 00:38:00,930
any links on nosyaf.com. Yeah. That's

605
00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:04,450
true. I could. Yeah. And that's just the shop to buy work, and then I

606
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:08,145
have, like, projects where you can see Nice. The projects.

607
00:38:08,305 --> 00:38:11,985
But that is a good idea that I should actually link something back

608
00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:15,790
to my actual artwork. And this

609
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:19,390
is why we always ask the word why. Why are we doing that?

610
00:38:19,390 --> 00:38:23,025
Because we want your call to action to point people towards your why, and

611
00:38:23,025 --> 00:38:26,645
we want your website to point towards your why. And so,

612
00:38:26,705 --> 00:38:30,145
she has kind of multiple reasons. I want to be seen as someone who can

613
00:38:30,145 --> 00:38:33,740
help with your art show, and I want people to

614
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:37,340
look at my artwork. Yeah. I definitely I definitely do need to

615
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:40,480
think about that, like, how to connect it to

616
00:38:41,145 --> 00:38:44,984
the mighty, mighty dollar bill. Yeah. Well, it just wanna say But I do like

617
00:38:44,984 --> 00:38:47,865
the growing of the I do think it is good to grow the network and

618
00:38:47,865 --> 00:38:51,310
I think use it as, like, visibility so that I can be a part of

619
00:38:51,310 --> 00:38:55,090
more exhibitions. So all in all, for her website,

620
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:59,385
aside from those images, which are an easy fix and some copy

621
00:38:59,925 --> 00:39:03,705
and just making some of those links. Like, if you wanna contact her,

622
00:39:04,245 --> 00:39:07,119
create an evergreen page for that. So nosyaf.com/contact.

623
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:12,780
That way, you don't have to worry about things like okay buttons. 1 of the

624
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:16,160
great things about the website is she was set up to have people

625
00:39:16,255 --> 00:39:19,855
follow and subscribe to her show. I like the fact that you've got a

626
00:39:19,855 --> 00:39:23,535
subscribe button. That's cool. And now I see where you're pointing it at

627
00:39:23,535 --> 00:39:27,230
podgagement, which is fine. You could get a little SEO,

628
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:30,970
more SEO. It might not look as pretty. That's the nice thing about Podgagement is

629
00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:34,795
it is really pretty. But if you put these links on your website,

630
00:39:35,255 --> 00:39:38,855
you wouldn't have to send them kinda outside. And

631
00:39:38,855 --> 00:39:42,609
speaking of her call to action You know, you can buy my artwork

632
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:46,510
at missgramm.com. You know, you could sign up for my newsletter so you can find

633
00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:49,964
out about exhibitions. All of that stuff is at my

634
00:39:49,964 --> 00:39:53,484
website, missgram.com. And you can find

635
00:39:53,484 --> 00:39:57,326
Stephanie. I'll have links to her out in the show notes out at podcasting

636
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,120
dotcom. Steph, thanks for coming on the show. I think this was really

637
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,880
helpful because I feel that, you know, you don't always

638
00:40:06,955 --> 00:40:10,795
at least for myself, I don't really have I know some other people that

639
00:40:10,795 --> 00:40:14,395
do podcasting, but I feel like being able

640
00:40:14,395 --> 00:40:18,030
to, you know, work with you and have you really take a

641
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:21,870
look at it from, like, a 3rd party, you know, and really look at this

642
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:25,070
stuff seriously. Somebody else can click through and just be like, oh, it's a nice

643
00:40:25,070 --> 00:40:28,865
site because they might not have a site, you know? So like me having a

644
00:40:28,865 --> 00:40:32,545
website, it's already going to be good to them, but I feel like

645
00:40:32,545 --> 00:40:36,300
going through it, you know, thoroughly and looking

646
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,760
at it is really really helpful

647
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:43,545
because that's important. You know? Like, you do that with

648
00:40:43,545 --> 00:40:47,145
artwork. You know, we critique each other's work and see how to make it

649
00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:50,765
better, and so I felt like this was really, really valuable.

650
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:55,470
Stephanie is great. I really adore her laugh, and she's just got a very bubbly

651
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:59,010
personality. She's been a joy to work with. So just a couple things here

652
00:40:59,405 --> 00:41:03,185
as we wrap up. She's already said she's gonna shorten up her intro

653
00:41:03,645 --> 00:41:07,025
and she's gonna check on that music to make sure she has the right license.

654
00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:11,420
And we were talking about maybe swapping out calls to action. Maybe 1

655
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:14,940
time, have it be the newsletter. Maybe the next time, to buy some

656
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:18,714
merch. Maybe something else. But she likes, she has a a bunch of

657
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:22,015
calls to action, and so we might swap those out. And then

658
00:41:22,474 --> 00:41:26,075
its story are great. Stories are amazing, but they have to have a

659
00:41:26,075 --> 00:41:29,799
point. And so she realized some of those stories went a little left of center

660
00:41:29,859 --> 00:41:33,619
because she was just having fun talking with her guest, which is great. You

661
00:41:33,619 --> 00:41:37,365
want it to be a monetization, but just remember, I always say a podcast

662
00:41:37,365 --> 00:41:41,045
is a conversation with the boring parts removed. So that was that. The

663
00:41:41,045 --> 00:41:44,809
website, she had those images that were kinda loading slow. She

664
00:41:44,809 --> 00:41:48,109
needs to update some of the copy there to make it consistent with the show.

665
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:52,010
And then 1 of the goals was to get some eyes on

666
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:55,635
her artwork. So we need to open up some doors there to make it easier

667
00:41:55,635 --> 00:41:59,315
to find her artwork. And then she might also again, as a

668
00:41:59,315 --> 00:42:02,595
call to action, we just talked about this. It might be, hey, do you need

669
00:42:02,595 --> 00:42:06,220
help organizing an art show? I can help. We need to let people

670
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:09,980
know what you do and what you're looking to do because they

671
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:13,595
won't ask you to help with their art show if

672
00:42:13,595 --> 00:42:16,954
they don't know that you do that. And we kind of assume, well, it's a

673
00:42:16,954 --> 00:42:20,730
show about art and activism and every, duh, and the

674
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audience is like, yeah. I had no clue. So you have to make sure they

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know what you're up to. So if you'd like to sit

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in the podcast hot seat and enjoy a free month at

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the School of Podcasting, simply go out to podcast

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hot seat dot com story.

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Thanks so much for listening to the podcast Hot Seat. If

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you are new to the show, we are new. And if you know somebody

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who's looking to improve their podcast, could you do me a

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favor and share this episode with them because they might learn some things

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that maybe they need to brush up on. Because in

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my opinion, I have lived by 1 mantra and that is constant

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improvement my entire life. I know as a teacher, there's

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always room to get just a little bit better. I'm Dave

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Jackson from the School of Podcasting. I help podcasters.

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It's what I do, and I'd love to see what we can do together.

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So there you have episode 1 of the podcasting

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seat, and I always say it's

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your show. You can do whatever you want. So what I've decided to

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do is the podcast rodeo show,

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the podcast hot seat show, and the podcast review show that

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I do with Eric k Johnson. I only do those shows

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when someone pays me. And I realized you could go, hey,

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Dave. I just listened to your last episode where it was all things interviews,

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and you weren't crazy for charging your guests to appear.

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And I go, yep. I see that, coalition. Is that the right way you

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say that word? But this isn't them to appear. This is

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live consulting. It's a little different in my book. And if you think I'm a

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hypocrite, I'd love to hear your opinion on that. And speaking of your

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opinion, again, if you are listening to this on your phone or if you're on

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the website, I'll have a link where you can send me some

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feedback on that episode. Did you think it was helpful? Did you not?

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Etcetera, etcetera. It's a quick survey, and you can take that

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there. Coming up on the school of podcasting,

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I'm gonna be talking about how do you actually read a

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script without making it sound like a script? I've got

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an expert coming in to help us with that. And, of course,

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any ideas that you have. 1 of the things I'm going to be working on

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this afternoon is a video on how I did

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this episode. That's narrative style podcasting where I'm

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basically splicing in little bits of me in

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between sections of, in this case, mainly Stephanie

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and a little bit of me there. But that's what we call narrative style, and

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that came straight from Stephanie. She was like, I'd really like to see how

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you do that. I was like, that's how it works here at the School of

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Podcasting. If you've got something you wanna see as a member, let me

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know, and I will make it. I know my buddy, Lou, sent me something last

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night and said, do you have any templates on, like, episodes? And I answered

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his question, but I'm gonna make a very generic template because, in

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my opinion, every show is a little bit like a snowflake. But the

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intro should be fairly obvious. It's always introduce the

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show, introduce the episode. And if you want to, somewhere in

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there, introduce yourself to answer the question, why should I listen

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to you? That type of stuff. And I love it

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because when I get feedback, again, my background's in education,

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there's nothing I love more than an eager student.

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And when they say, I think this would help my podcast, I go out

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and make it. And you can be a member of The School of

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Podcasting by going out to school of podcasting.com.

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Click on the join now button. Use the coupon code listener.

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Now this is kind of a different episode for me, and you may have

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noticed there was no question of the month, and there was

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no where am I gonna be? Because I typically insert those

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dynamically, and I'm doing things a little differently on the background. I'll I'll

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talk about more on this, on the future. But for now, if you're like,

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wait, what is the question of the month? Well, I'm not gonna

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tell you. You have to go to school of podcasting.com/question,

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and you can see the question. And while you're there, you can click the

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button and actually record your answer. Or if you wanna just record it on your

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computer and upload it, it's all there. And don't forget to

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mention your show, a little bit about it, and

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your website. So if you want some free exposure because you're, like, going, I don't

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know. I can't get anybody in front of my show. I'm giving you free

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exposure. You just gotta go to school of podcasting.com/question

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before the end of this month. Thanks so much for listening.

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I'm Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting.com. I help podcasters.

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It's what I do. I've been doing it for 19 years, and I can't wait

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to hear what we're gonna do together. Until then,

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take care. God bless. Class is dismissed.